From info!strath-cs!str-ccsun!zippy.dct.ac.uk!uknet!EU.net!sk2eu!Viktoria.drp.fmph.uniba.sk!lorinc Fri Mar 10 09:15:05 GMT 1995 Article: 43858 of rec.games.chess Path: info!strath-cs!str-ccsun!zippy.dct.ac.uk!uknet!EU.net!sk2eu!Viktoria.drp.fmph.uniba.sk!lorinc Newsgroups: rec.games.chess Subject: Re: Breyers Puzzle.Retrograde Question Message-ID:From: lorinc@Viktoria.drp.fmph.uniba.sk (Juraj Lorinc) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:43:36 GMT Sender: news@sk2eu.eunet.sk (News Administrator) References: <1995Feb23.212717.12034@zippy.dct.ac.uk> <3ijanu$dgh@raman.physics.ucla.edu> Organization: Gatewayed by EUnet Slovakia, Bratislava, Slovak Republic NNTP-Posting-Host: sk2eu.eunet.sk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 69 Reynolds@physics.ucla.edu writes: { In article <1995Feb23.212717.12034@zippy.dct.ac.uk> mab025@mathssun5lancs.ac.uk (Mr Peter Marsden) writes: >In a book of Reti's he describes a puzzle of Breyers in retrograde analysis >where it was possible to show that the game was a draw due to the 50 move rule >does anyone knowthe actual puzzle or another retrograde analysis puzzle >where it is possible to prove the 50 move rule has been passed? Here is Gyula Breyer's famous retrograde analysis problem that Reti mentions in `Modern Ideas in Chess.' It was published in the Chess Amateur, February 1922, page 164, No. 180, in the Fairy Chess column, edited by T. R. Dawson. Breyer had died in November 1921 at age 27 from heart disease. 8 K B * * * Diagram 1 7 Q p N p * p 6 r R p k P * * Dedicated to T. R. Dawson and W. Hundsdorfer, 5 * R p p * the Great Masters of Retrograde Analysis. 4 b q P * * * 3 b r P * * 2 p P P * * * 1 N B * * * a b c d e f g h Who wins? Here is The Chess Amateur's description: ``The wonderful No. 180, certainly the most glorious retro I have had the privilege of yet printing, is sent me by the Budapest circle. Composed during the war, its dedication shows that chess could rise supremely over all the turmoil. Its talented composer's death was announced only a few days ago, at a tragically early age. So that no solver shall miss the idea, I state distinctly that the retro analysis proves the game is DRAWN by virtue of the 50-move Rule!'' } All right, but the story continues... 47 years after this Luis Garaza from Uruguay discovered the possibility to shorten the retroanalysis one move. He also found the correction: normally prolonged the combination. (Problem 3. 1969) - the glorious thought of Breyer was saved. (B.Formanek - Kompozicny sach na Slovensku, 1984) Really was ? Story continues again... The Uruguay composer has bad luck too ! I don't know who found his correction was incorrect, but in the selection from world's chess composition magazines in the Slovak magazine Pat a Mat 19/1994 was published the next one correction of this problem. It follows: 8 KB------ 7 QpN-p--p 6 r-pkP--- Gyula Breyer, correction Gerard Willts (dedicated to 5 Rqp-p--- Andrej Kornilov) 4 bRP----- Die Schwalbe 6. 1991 3 brP----- 2 pPP----- The last 96 halfmoves ? 1 NB------ abcdefgh As Peter Gvozdjak writes in this article, it is with high probabily the successful correction: the uniqueness of the last 96 moves is proved using the 50 moves rule, the 97th and more halfmoves are not unique. It is interesting that G.W. used computer for analysis ... (I am too lazy to write all the solution down - it seems it is not very different from the Breyer's one, already published here.) Juraj Lorinc - The unbelievable fairy chess composer. e-mail: Juraj.Lorinc@st.fmph.uniba.sk
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